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Beerus, Whis, and Rigor Power Comparison by MalikStudios Beerus, Whis, and Rigor Power Comparison by MalikStudios
This question CONSTANTLY comes up: "Who is stronger, Beerus or Rigor?" "Who would win, Whis or Rigor?" and so on and so on...

Based on the power levels MightyOozaru and I came up with, these are the finalized power levels of each of these characters, to set the record straight. The levels for Rigor are for when he first arrives on Earth, and in his physical prime (no power shock).

Beerus and Whis are (c) Akira Toriyama. I do not own the artwork of them.

Rigor is (c) me
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KyuubifiedHokage Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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lebloob1234 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015
fuck yea, an overpowered mary sue character. and a very unoriginal one at that. 0/10
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Professional General Artist
And how do you come to that assessment?
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AntiShipper Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015
The fact alone that he's twice as strong as Whis is enough to warrant him as an overpowered Mary Sue.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015  Professional General Artist
Strength alone does not make one a Sue/ Stu. There are so many qualifications to be labelled a Sue/Stu, and being strong isn't the only one. If being stronger than Gods is what makes a Sue/Stu, then Superman, Son Goku, Vegeta, Hulk, Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, etc are all Sues/Stus.

Rigor s only Sue/Stu qualities are that he is related to a canon character and is powerful. He is not the MOST powerful, he isn't modelled after me, he is not a perfect being. He is a flawd, fallible being who happens to be granted extraordinary strength.

Besides that, exceeding the power of Gods is commonplace for the Dragon Ball lore. Kami-Sama was a god, Son Goku and his friends surpassed him. Kaio-Sama was a god, Son Goku and his friends surpassed him. The Kaioshin are gods, and Son Goku and a few others surpassed them. So for a SINGLE mortal being, foretold in a prophecy to have no equal in his sphere, exceeds the strength of a God, its not too much of a stretch considering the universe he's in.
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AntiShipper Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015
They are pretty much sues, but that's in their own canon universe from their own writers. You're making original characters who are stronger than canon ones by a wide margin. That's what makes him a Mary Sue. If it were entirely your own work the there'd be no problems, but because you're basing it off a pre-existing series (and adding another Super Saiyan form) I'm gonna have to all him a Mary Sue.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015  Professional General Artist
There are flaws to that logic, but to each their own. In the bigger scheme of things, he's far from a Stu. It takes more than strength to be labelled a Stu. Everyone just casually throws that term around even when it doesn't apply.
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AntiShipper Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015
That's really all it takes as far as I'm concerned. If your character's stronger than what there is in canon, it's overpowered. I've got a whole host of OCs but none of them are in any way related to any of the canon characters, nor do they come anywhere close to the strongest there is in the universe I wrote them for. But that's me.
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Dark-Carioca Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2015  New member Student Digital Artist
Wait... In the DBNA manga Rigor was at Gogeta's Ssj4's level. By Akira Toriyama's words, SSJ Vegetto is stronger than that, and Beerus is said to be even stronger than Ssj3 Vegetto.
I believe Beerus and Whis would be in the quadrillion, not the trillion.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2015  Professional General Artist
Akira never said any such things. The GT Perfect Guides, which are not written by Toriyama, stated that SSJ Vegetto had power comparable to a SSJ4, not SSJ4 Gogeta. With the power level numbers I use, even if Vegetto reached SSJ3, he couldn't touch Beerus
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RigorvsXicor Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2015
Hey malick lemme help you with this fact I did some research on SSJ4 vs Vegito and I found the one source that says this is the back of the GT movie guide which is much less cannon then statements in Gt putting SSJ4 far Above Vegito 
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YoshiCrusader Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I think when the God's said that regular Ki doesn't work on them, they meant energy attacks. Physical attacks still hurt them, as seen when Vegeta got mad and made Bills bleed from a physical attack (after Bulma got slapped).
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Codiy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Vegeta was tapping into his god ki when that happened so it's different. Though you are correct, physical hits, whether they are from gods or otherwise could absolutely hurt him. But using Vegeta as an example isn't a good move as he was tapping into God Ki when it happened.
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YoshiCrusader Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
So character can just generate God Ki when they're angry/desperate enough?
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Codiy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Idk. Apparently it depends.
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megashadowmew Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not going to lie... Rigor is screaming Gary-Stu based on this scale ^^;
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Professional General Artist
Wow that word gets tossed around a lot.

Just because someone is powerful doesn't make them a Stu. If such is the case, then in the actual canon Beerus and Whis are both Stus. Almost all the important DB characters (both villains and good guys) have at one time or another shared traits that would cause them to be labeled a MS/GS.

But when you widen it you do end up making everybody a Sue. Take that test with Goku. Take it with Batman. They all come up as dangerously Mary Sue. That's because the test misses the point that the definition is conditional. A character's attributes alone don't make a Mary Sue. A character's attributes in relation to the rest of the story is what matters. A character could be the last of his kind, loved by all, and the most powerful being on Earth but still wouldn't be a Mary Sue if their existence doesn't come at the expense of other characters or the story. (Interestingly, in Goku's case it does come at the expense of other characters but most people don't call him a Mary Sue).

Besides, lets say you widen the definition and start catching more characters in the net. Well, some of those characters you catch may not be so bad, right? After all, whether he fits the definition or not, Goku isn't a bad character. He doesn't hurt Dragon Ball or not fit properly, does he? So what's the point then? Just to be able to call someone a Mary Sue even though they don't do any harm? At that point it stops being a criticism and just becomes a descriptor.

It always is a case of attributes + scenario + effect on the story = X. In most anime/manga a main character, by attributes alone, can almost always be considered a mary sue. They often are regarded as the last/only hope, they tend to be the most powerful, they are capable of learning techniques/abilities that no one else could, they have abilities/techniques/attributes that make them wholly unique from the others, they are often the deciding factor in the most important battles, they rarely if ever die or cannot be killed, etc etc etc. Guys like Goku, Alucard, Ichigo, Naruto, Sasuke, etc etc all fit these attributes. But going by the scenarios those particular characters are in and their effects on the story, the picture becomes more clear.
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megashadowmew Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You make a fine point

I see Goku as a bit of a gary stu

But, what you have said makes sense. And that "equation" is actually pretty accurate

I'm sorry if I upset you
I suppose you hear the same thing a lot, don't you? :(
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Codiy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
If Goku was a Gary Stu he wouldn't have died at all in the series and would be incredibly smart.

He has died twice and is a moron when it comes to things that do not include fighting. A Gary Stu would be perfect in all things.

And considering that Rigor is an antagonist in this story? He isn't going to be top dog for long.
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megashadowmew Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
a character does not necessarily have to be perfect in every possible way to be considered a Gary-Stu
they just have to be perfect at what they do. 

Goku isn't a full blown Gary-Stu by any means
that would probably Broly lol

True enough
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Codiy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Broly isn't a full blown Gary Stu either. He is virtually mindless, died, and is outclassed by SSJ2 and up.
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megashadowmew Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
true
a mindless psychopath

however, if he were alive long enough, he would surpass everyone.
I believe it was said his power constantly rises
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Codiy Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
So in New age, Bills and Whis are vastly weaker than their canon counterparts. Good to know!
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Professional General Artist
Akira Totiyama's rankings (SSJ God is a 6, Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15) were formulated and stated for when Goku first achieved Super Saiyan God. In my estimations, based on what Beerus said about Goku's power during their first sparring match ("With the power you have now, I don't think you could have beaten Freeza), Goku's base level at that time was somewhere around 90 million. In this regard, my numbers for Beerus and Whis (though inaccurate in the above image) are closer to the accurate numbers in a power scale. Also, the above numbers were formulated by me BEFORE Toriyama-sensei introduced those rankings. Going by the rankings, and Goku's estimated power at the time, the following numbers would be more accurate:

SSJ God Son Goku (Pre-GT/DBNA): 45 Trillion
Beerus                                         : Between 75-80 Trillion
Whis                                            : Between 112-120 Trillion

Using the small numbers scale, this would be the power scale by comparison:

Rigor base form (DBNA-era) : 2
SSJ God Goku (Pre-GT/DBNA): 6
Beerus                                 : 10
Whis                                    : 15
SSJ5 Rigor (DBNA-era)         : 27
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Codiy Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
The problem with that is the gods are also well above SSJ4 Gogeta. Bills is entitled to his opinion, but has shown he cannot sense normal ki, just god ki. He even said "the thing you guys called ki doesn't work on gods".

Then there is the uncut version of battle of the gods that will be released soon. It has a scene where Goku states that even if Vegeta and him fused, he doubted they would stand a ghost of a chance against Bills. And that was when he did not know Bills full power, a guy who was casually holding back.

This, combined with the statement by Whis that Bills can whip out their Solar System in an instant if he wanted to? Would put him well above Rigor. As neither Rigor, or SSJ4 Gogeta have the feats to show they could do anywhere near the same.

Another argument to consider: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXGeP… (it's only 2:18 long)

Now if you want to put Rigor above them in your story then cool, but he needs to have more feats to really make him above the canon gods. Just being slightly better than a SSJ4 Gogeta isn't really going to cut it against Bills, let alone against Whis. I'd even put SSG Goku above him atm. Or maybe on par.

Fun fact from Dragonball Online: Apparently, according to DBO lore, Goku, when nearing the end of his life due to age, wanted to have one last friendly fight with Vegeta to settle their rivalry on who was stronger. They left the planet to duke it out so that they wouldn't harm the planet. A good thing to because astronomers from Earth were detecting multiple Supernovas going off as a result of their fight. They were never heard of from then on.

Doesn't have much to do with my argument, just thought I'd mention it is all :).
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Professional General Artist
I am aware of the scene where Goku and Vegeta state fusion isn't an option (I own the uncut Japanese version, and friend kindly translate captioned it for me). Again, we are talking about pre-GT Goku and Vegeta. They are considerably more powerful in DBNA than they were almost 20 years prior, and even with SSJ4, they are both immeasurably outclassed by Beerus and Whis (both rank less than 1 in terms of the small numbers scale used to measure the powers). To be quite honest, unless a movie depicting SSJ4 Gogeta vs Beerus happens, or unless it is officially stated, there is no evidence to support the claim that Beerus immeasurably trumps him. Regular chi may not be the same as Godly chi, but that's no reason to dismiss that a single mortal being might some day have the power to challenge Beerus. And SSJ4 Gogeta isn't your average mortal being.

Beerus and Whis also talk in the end of the movie about Goku's latent strength and how he and Vegeta may soon become fearsome foes. Rigor is genetically different from both, and far more powerful than either years down the line.

I am also aware of that DBO event of Goku and Vegeta leaving Earth for their final fight. I read about it last year, and it gave me ideas :)
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Codiy Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
Thing is, when Bills and Whis stated they could be fearsome foes, they were talking about their status as SSG's. Gogeta isn't your average mortal being, but neither is Goku now that he is a SSG or Vegeta if he ever becomes a SSG.

And Rigor might be genetically different, but he still doesn't have SSG unlocked and is is more or less the most powerful transformation at this time.

The reason why Bills and Whis would be above SSJ4 Gogeta is due to the two former beings being capable of wiping out a Solar System(going by statements made by Whiss that is). SSJ4 Gogeta doesn't have any performances that put him on that level.

So unless you are saying that in DBNA. SSJ4 Gogeta and Rigor can bust a Solar system..I do not see either of them as being above Bills, Whis, or even SSG Goku. If, in your story, Rigor and SSJ4 Gogeta CAN in fact destroy a Solar system then cool, but that would mean that SSJ4 Gogeta in your story is more powerful than his canon counterpart.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Professional General Artist
Well who's to say canon Gogeta isn't that powerful? He never really DID anything in GT, he was goofing off the whole time. And if I'm not wrong, I think Omega Shenron stated that he could annihilate the solar system (he was destroying Earth simply by being alive). Hell, even Cell (dubious though it may be) claimed that even he could wipe out the Solar System with his chi.

And though it does not appear in the current version, Rigor once stated (again, dubious, as it may have been boasting, I can't remember) that his Final Revenge Cannon had the power to annihilate a portion of the galaxy if he were to unleash it completely. It says this in my wikia, but I no longer have the original dialogue, so I can't say for sure. I probably would retcon this statement to a Solar System, or at least several planets in our solar system.

And you are correct. In DBNA, SSJ God IS still the most powerful power-up (boasting a 500,000x boost). However, as I stated, some retcons took place (SSJ God power fades after time, it does not stay with the user). SSJ5 may have a slightly lower boost, but it is still the 2nd most powerful, and Rigor is certainly a different being in terms of Saiyans. He's a mythical being. A Chosen One, so to speak. He bears the mantle of being Rage Incarnate, a being whose singular power exceeds all other mortal beings. And in DBNA, he's the most powerful natural born mortal. In all the DB Universe, at least in my version, he's the only mortal without God Status who can challenge the Gods.

Again, the numbers I shared are of my own opinion. Other people have their opinion, and are entitled to it. Going by the numbers, without SSJ5 Rigor (and by extension Goku and Vegeta) are wholly incapable of fighting either Beerus or Whis. SSJ5 is the most powerful non-god power-up in this particular Universe. And going simply by equations and numbers, SSJ5 Rigor is stronger than Beerus or Whis.
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Codiy Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
Feats and even lack of statements say he isn't at that level I'm afraid.

Omega Shenron was speaking on entropy level of destruction, not pure destruction.

If ssj4 Gogeta is stronger than what he was in GT, then that's fine. Makes sense really considering Vegeta trains a lot and thus would make the fusion stronger. But as he is in GT? He doesn't stack up to Bills or Whis.

On that note, will SSG be making an appearance in your story?
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Professional General Artist
Son Goku and Vegeta (and by extension Gogeta) ARE stronger than they were in GT (roughly twice, if not three times as strong). I don't believe Gogeta GT era could beat Whis. He could maybe throw down with Beerus, but I think Whis is still out of his league. In small numbers scale, I don't even think Omega Shenron would be able to beat SSJ God (z-era) Goku, as I rank him at about a 3 or 4 in comparison to SSJ God Goku's 6.

I have no plans for SSJ God to appear. Not to say it won't change in the future, but as of now, no
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Codiy Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
Well, I use the term "canon" for SSJ4 Gogeta loosely considering GT isn't canon as AT wasn't a writer for the story and DBO ignores it.
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S0NG0HAN Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Whis isn't even the strongest god, so Rigor SSJ5 Max Power+Hidden Potential and Anger power would still get stomped by future gods that are 9000x stronger than Whis.
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Codiy Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
No other "gods" have ever been mentioned in canon as of yet. So yes, Whis is the strongest god. If you are going to try and use canon, make sure that it is actually canon and not fanfiction.
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doctormatrix123 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014
Perfect Cell can destroy a Solar System.

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Codiy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Like I said, Cell's claim is debatable. Bills can absolutely bust a Solar system, hell, by the time DBO arrives, Goku and Vegeta were causing stars to crap out just by fighting. But Cell? It is a little too early for that and none of his feats or previous feats really support his claim.
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Blazicken Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2014
Come on man, Vegeta could destroy a planet easily when he was at a power-lever of only 18000,
How hard is it immagine that super perfect cell's claim of being able to whipe out a galaxy with an estimated power-level of 500 000 000 may hold some ground? 
Given that his powers are dwarfed by SSJ3, let alone SSJ4...
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Codiy Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014
He claimed to bust a Solar System, not a galaxy. And busting a planet is so vastly below even busting a star, let alone a Solar system. A galaxy is something so far above anything in the canon Dragonball continuity it isn't even funny. TOEI continuity is really the only time there are galaxy busters.

Vegeta never casually busted a panet. Arla was a filler only scene. He claimed he could blow up the earth and was putting his all in his Galack Gun. That isn't casual. At best? At the very best SP Cell-SSJ2 level beings are Star busters. Not casual by any means, but if they gave it there all I could see it. Anyone else that is stronger than that have an easier time busting a star but are far from being SS busters. The only SS busters in main continuity are SSG Goku, Bills and Whis. That's it.
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Gamingrealitytech Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
1) DBO is not canon.
2) Toriyama was involved in minor subjects but so was he in GT, does it make GT canon? Battle of Gods wipes GT/DBO from existence in terms of canon.
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KareemMohammad Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
DBO is canon......
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Codiy Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014
DBO is indeed canon yes. As I already explained, AT was involved heavily with the project. Having spent 5 years working on the new characters, the plot, and the lore for the game. That makes it canon whether you like it or not.

BOG does not wipe DBO from canon at all. How you could possibly figure that is beyond me. DBO takes place years in the future, and nothing in BoG contradicts anything from DBO or vice versa. The only thing BoG wipes out is GT.
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Gamingrealitytech Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
No it isn't canon, lol....
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Codiy Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014
So you're just going to ignore the fact that:
-AT worked on the new characters, including the majin race and yadrats
-AT worked on the main plot of the story
-At worked on the lore of the story.

And say it's non-canon because...you say so? Yea that's a fantastic argument alright.
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Gamingrealitytech Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Remember that Nappa was a PLANET-BUSTER and Cell is like is like is more than 5 billion times stronger than him. 
Cell - SOLAR SYSTEM BUSTER
Kid Buu - GALAXY BUSTER
SSJ3 Goku - Multi-Galaxy Buster
Bills -Multi-Galaxy buster with 0.001% pwoe
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Codiy Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014
Nappa was never a planet buster. Ever. Not once did he bust a planet, only a city.

Cell has no feats of being anywhere near SS busting strength. Star busting I can buy. But not SS busting. None of his feats are on the level of SS busting.

Kid Buu is nowhere near galaxy busting. He was only described as such in a filler scene. Aside from that none of his feats, abilities, or statements about him chalk him at even SS busting level, let alone galaxy busting.

SSJ3 Goku is nowhere near galaxy busting. Don't be absurd. He isn't even SS busting. And no, being 4 times stronger than a star buster(SSJ2 level beings) doesn't make him a SS buster as a star takes up 1/50th of a SS.

Bills is nowhere near multi-galaxy busting. Whis claimed he could wipe out the entire SS instantly if he wanted. But he has no feats or claims that would but him anywhere near multi-galaxy busting. Let alone Galaxy busting.

SSG Goku-Whis are SS busters. That's it.

The wank is strong with you.
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KareemMohammad Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
Solar Kamehameha wants to talk with you...
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Codiy Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014
You mean the Kamehameha that never busted a SS while being shot by a guy who, even with power scaling, have nothing to put him on SS busting level?
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Gamingrealitytech Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
ur a stupid fool lol
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Codiy Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014
So because you can't refute what I said, you call me a "stupid fool"? You being incapable of making a half decent argument and instead resorting to insults doesn't make ME the "stupid fool". It makes you the immature fanboy who is gets pissy whenever his views are challenged and refuted.
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Dreadent Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014
Well, Consider Bills isn't really canon. Also, I have heard from many, many, many sources that Bills was the weakest god. I mean, he's pretty childish and has to have an adviser. And there is a destruction god for every universe. That has been stated at least once in the movie. Plus, adding Cells power linearly and applying it to real world joule outputs, Cell could destroy the solar system. Goku fully calculated at FPSSJ, he could probably lift around 600 million tons, not even applying ki to that. Since ki works different than normal strength, the results would be much more devastating. I'm pretty sure Cell could destroy a star, and the energy required for that is about the same energy required to destroy the solar system itself. And Cell was much stronger than FPSSJ Goku. If Whis was an adviser, it make sense if there were gods stronger than him, but that is just speculation.
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Codiy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Bills is canon. How you can figure he isn't is beyond me. The movie was created by AT. And I doubt any of your sources were official.

The energy required to bust a Solar System is far larger than the energy needed to bust a star, as a Solar system is much bigger than a star. Cell only has a claim to go by. Bills is actually credible considering it was his master than stated it, and Bills is second only to Whiss in canon.
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