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DBNA Small Scale Power Comparison by MalikStudios DBNA Small Scale Power Comparison by MalikStudios
After lengthy discussions and recalculating, I came up with this chart, using the 'Small Numbers Rankings' Akira Toriyama gave for SSJ God Goku, Whis, and Beerus, to do a bit of a more 'accurate' power chart.

This chart, I think better than any I did before, demonstrates the overwhelming strength of Beerus and Whis  in comparison to GT powerhouses.

In my estimation, I believe GT Gogeta could fight on relatively equal grounds with Beerus, but get stomped by Whis. Even in DBNA, Son Goku and Vegeta's powers (less than 1) are nowhere near Beerus and Whis, and even the mighty Rigor only ranks a 2 in his base form in comparison to Beerus' 10. It also demonstrates how much of a buffer the SSJ5 transformation grants Rigor in his prime, showing why this is the 2nd most powerful form next to SSJ God.

For the record, though he is not listed, I only rank Omega Shenron a 3
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ManwiththeStreak Featured By Owner 2 days ago  New member Hobbyist General Artist
Hello Malikstudios.

I have a question. Since Revival of F! came out recently(in Japan), where do you put Golden Freiza & Goku and Vegeta's Blue god forms be in this list right here?
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shydood3 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015
So gogeta can kill whis?
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toonking911 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
So wait, if SSJ5 Rigors starting level is 27, and he states his power has doubled shortly before charging his Final Revenge Cannon. Does that mean his power was 54 by then? I usually agree with what you do with DBNA power scaling, but that's a bit absurd. Even if it caused Rigors body to give out.  

Also, unrelated to this, but are you going to attempt to inject anymore canon lore introduce from further movies into DBNA? Obviously Fukkatsu no F could never takes place and Goku/Vegeta never look back into the realm of the gods (otherwise they probably would be on this small scale already before DBNA's GT), but will any future world building elements be brought over? I know you mentioned not being sure of this in your AMA, but a lot more information has been brought out (especially today)
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Professional General Artist
His 27 ranking is in his prime. When he fought Gogeta, he was weakened, so that wasn't quite his number.

It all depends on how easily they can be incorporated into it. As of right now, with the knowledge I have, Battle of Gods will likely be the only canon movie. It just depends
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toonking911 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Even so, after doubling it would have been massive, correct? Just seems rather absurd, even though no other characters (minus Aladijnn and maybe Frost) will likely reach a similar power. 

I'm assuming that in the History of Rigor we'll see Whis offer Rigor the position of God of Destruction (Hakaishin...?) given how powerful he is...
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Dragon-Cana-Love Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why is it again that Rigor is so strong in his base?
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015  Professional General Artist
As the Legendary Saiyan, Rigor is a mutant. He gets stronger faster, his zenkai is incredibly heightened, he has some visual differences in his SSJ forms, and his SSJ forms are stronger than normal Saiyans. When he became a SSJ5, his body further evolved/mutated. It drew the strength of his previous SSJ forms to the surface (much like Ultimate Gohan), eliminating the need to transform into the other forms (he still can, they will just provide no boost). In other words, his base state is his "ultimate" state, and SSJ5 is his "super ultimate"
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Dragon-Cana-Love Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright I gotcha now
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dalome Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015
Where do you put vegetto ssj3 BoG?
What is your multiplier for fusion potala vegetto?
How much stronger than fusion dance  is potala ?
What is the difference in power between ssj and fpssj?
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Ian-Jackson Featured By Owner Edited Jan 17, 2015
I read on the DBNA Wiki that Super Saiyan 5 multiplies the user's power 15 times over and since Rigor's base is 2 shouldn't his power be 30 as a Super Saiyan 5? 
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015  Professional General Artist
I rounded him up to 2. He's really a 1.8/ 1.9, so it measures out properly
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lionman0812 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Lionmans pyro Lion form is a 4.8
lionmans lion avatar form is a 48


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Kingkakarot Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2014
So whis is actually stronger than GT gogeta?
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2014  Professional General Artist
By my estimates amd the opinions shared by the guys who help me with PLs, yes
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frankywaffles Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014
How strong buu saga vegito is?
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional General Artist
According to my numbers, he's about as strong as SSJ4 GT era Goku. If he could go SSJ3, he'd rank a 3 on this scale
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lionman0812 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
what if he come ssj 4

and ssj god
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DA-MANLY-MAN Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
according to the GT perfect files, super vegito is about as strong as ssj4 goku during GT
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Manikdx2000 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Shouldn't Rigor be a 25 before his power increases? I thought he and Gogeta were nearly equal?

Also this is just me But I'd make GT Gogeta a 9 or 9.5.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Professional General Artist
When Rigor faced Gogeta in the manga, he had been weakened by the combination of Goku and Vegeta's offense and the shock of going full-power too soon out of hypersleep. The numbers represented here are Rigor in his prime. The numbers for Gogeta are based on the calculated figures of GT era Goku and Vegeta. I can't his number lower because it would betray the figures
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ekrolo2 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014
I have a question regarding God. On this list it states that both SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta are far inferior to BoG era God Goku. However, was it not established that God gives a permanent base power boost after Goku absorbed the God Ki into his body? Did this effect gradually wear off or is there some other reason he got way weaker in the following years?
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Professional General Artist
I feel that the effect gradually wears off
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Shobu95 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014
i just dont understand why people whine so much about numbered powerlevels ......just enjoy the manga fools..... and dont put the author in such head aches and problems like calculating power levels for you jerks just give him enough time to draw it
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SuperSaiyanPinock Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Student Interface Designer
this chart is a little off.
you took GT in another direction.
real end-of-GT goku is stronger than rigor base.
end-of-gt goku, before NA would take place, is over 100 times stronger than he was when he fought omega
meaning that also in NA, and in GT, gogeta, using your theoretical rivalry booster, would trump whis by at LEAST 1.325 times
and if end-of-GT Goku fused with end-of-GT vegeta, that would be too big to calculate, and he would defeat rigor with such ease
for your manga, yes this chart is accurate
for the published GT, this is slightly off

reply if you wanna!
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Professional General Artist
Again, we're using manga-based numbers, not the over inflated numbers used in the anime. If this was the anime, then you might be right. But not in this case
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SuperSaiyanPinock Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Student Interface Designer
You cannot use manga based numbers for a show that never had a manga
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Professional General Artist
I rewrote GT to fit manga canon. Its a simple matter. All of GT's problem areas were rewritten, including their asinine power scales
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SuperSaiyanPinock Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Student Interface Designer
thats still my point.
if this were the legit and not the rewritten, my theories would fit.
all i'm saying is, if you hadn't rewritten gt, these numbers would be off, thats all:D (Big Grin) 
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Professional General Artist
I've had that discussion with multiple people. Frankly, no one's theories (mine included) on PLs post-Freeza Saga are correct. It's all based on speculation. Some people have Goku in the hundreds of billions come GT, others put him in Septillions, Quadrillions, and I've even seen some where his power is supposedly in the Decillions.

My numbers are relatively grounded, and discussed with almost a dozen people who have extensive knowledge of the manga.The anime's numbers are so ridiculous and inconsistent that they had to be thrown out. 
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SuperSaiyanPinock Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014  Student Interface Designer
i have some pretty accurate speculations of my own too.
accurate enough to put up my own winning argument against superman fanboys who say he cant be beat by anyone or anything
and honestly, GT goku would at least be in the trillions
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014  Professional General Artist
Accuracy is a matter of perspective. Like I said, anything post-Freeza Saga is open to interpretation by whoever happens to be doing it. I NEVER get involved in any of the Goku vs Superman debates because we have to face facts, Superman is RIDICULOUSLY OP. I've never really been a fan of Supes, and am more intrigued by the beings who kick his ass on a regular basis (Darkseid, Mongul, Doomsday, Black Adam, and even Captain Marvel). Do I feel that Son Goku got the shaft in Death Battle? Of course. But they brought up a good point: Superman's feats, strength, and other abilities are quantified frequently, whereas Son Goku's are not, which not only causes arguments with that particular debate, but with Son Goku and the others' powers as a whole. Without solid numbers from official sources, there's no way of telling how strong they are, and therefore what their numbers are
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SuperSaiyanPinock Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Student Interface Designer
just be a good sport
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acarter51 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry.
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KareemMohammad Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014
If SSJ God returns in DBNA where would you rank him?
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Dreadent Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2014
That Makes me wonder how strong DBM Final Dragon Flash SSJ3 Vegetto is. I used Malik's multiplier methods, and I got 1 quadrillion, considering DBM vegetto is much stronger than canon Vegetto, which doesn't surprise me.
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Alnoor98 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014
Where would you put Xicor? Like in your own honest opinion.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Professional General Artist
No idea, seeing as we don't know all of Xicor's abilities despite his new transformation being revealed. Plus, I didn't create him, so I don't know how powerful Toyble intended him to be
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Alnoor98 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
How much would a SSJ3 Vegito form the Buu saga be?
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Gamingrealitytech Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Student Digital Artist
That would probably be 2-3.
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KamikazeW Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
Interesting, and good to know you don't undervalue BotG characters compared to GT like a lot of fans seem to, while still making DBNA powerhouses credibly threatening by having them above even that.

Though the gap between SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta, and SSJ4 Gogeta, seems...a bit much. I mean, fusion is a hell of a power boost, but...THAT much?
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DeatheKi Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014
Ok I have to ask. What is the Rival Boost exactly?
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KamikazeW Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
According to Old Kai, the fact that Goku and Vegeta were rivals made Vegetto stronger. He didn't really go into it any more than that.
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DeatheKi Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
Well, uh.... that's a thing that exist, I guess.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Professional General Artist
well, by simple mathematics, Gogeta is certainly far above Goku and Vegeta. I mean, let's look at my numbers for GT SSJ4 Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta

I rank SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta at around 1 trillion each. In my equations, the normal Fusion Dance factors into Power A + Power B x 5 = Fusion Power C. However, I personally believe the 'Rival Boost' Goku and Vegeta got from the Potara Earrings affects their regular fusion too, so their equation is Power A + Power B x 50 = Fusion Power C.

So, 1 trillion + 1 trillion = 2 trillion. 2 trillion x 50 = 100 trillion.

So yes, by the factors, SSJ4 Gogeta is (at least in my opinion) around 100 times stronger than either SSJ4 Goku or SSJ4 Vegeta alone.

One of the main reason I believe in the Rivalry Boost for the regular Fusion, unfortunately, comes from The Fusion Reborn movie. I personally hate trying to come up with numbers and such using the movies, but I needed some kind of base to go off, and this movie is the only source I could compare.

I figure Goku has a PL of around 80 million in Fusion Reborn, as it takes place (supposedly) after the Majin Boo Saga (around 9 days AFTER the Budokai all the fighters attended before Boo showed up, according to Videl's watch). This means his SSJ3 form has a PL of 32 billion. In order for Super Janemba to decimate him like he did, He would have to have a PL of around 43-45 billion, possibly even 50 billion. If Goku and Vegeta (who is around the same strength as Goku at the time) were to fuse with the normal equation and turn Super Saiyan, they would only have a PL of around 40 billion, nowhere near enough to dominate Janemba so easily, especially to not even flinch when Janemba punched him. With the rival boost, Super Gogeta had a PL of around 400 billion, easily enough to annihilate Janemba.

But again, this is just my opinion, but it's what I use
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KamikazeW Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Well, I suppose that works as a system. I mean, it's not like any parameters for the exact boost given by the different types of fusion were given during the actual series.

Though you don't have to resort to movies to prove the rival boost thing--Old Kai has a line stating it exists in the manga/anime.

Though if you've got base Buu saga Goku at 80 million and SSJ3 at 32 billion, can I assume you're using the Daizenshuu/V-Jump x50/x2/x4 numbers? If so, I'd caution against putting too much trust in them, completely non-canon and meaningless as they are.

But saying that, there's nothing inherently wrong with those numbers, and while they can't be proven right they can't be proven wrong either (they're reasonably logical guesses), and since you're just stating this, as you say, as your opinion and not any kind of canon fact, I guess it's fine.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond.
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014  Professional General Artist
I do go by the Daizenshuu and Guidebooks, but not the V-Jump as the numbers found in them are highly inaccurate. Toriyama at least had some influence over the guidebooks and Daizenshuu. And in the circles I run in, the majority of fans consider them reliable sources, as there are few errors in them (the daizenshuu more so than the guidebooks)

And the only reason I brought up rival boost for normal fusion is a previous discussion I had with someone where he insisted the rival boost was ONLY for Potara, which didn't make sense to me.
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KamikazeW Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
Ah, that makes sense about the fusion thing.
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ilouze Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014
Didn't Goku say that Rigor was as strong as Omega Shenron before his power increase ? :P
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MalikStudios Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Professional General Artist
Another early error before I did my research. Rigor is actually closer to Omega Shenron at just his base form's full power
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ilouze Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2014
Yes, I see and I agree with you ! It was in case you didn't see it.
By the way, I really like your manga, i'ts really more elaborate than most of the " AF's " man. I 'm looking forward to see the following of it !
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